Comments for Justice with Michael Sandel http://www.justiceharvard.org Online Harvard Course Exploring Justice, Equality, Democracy, and Citizenship Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:54:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 Comment on Take from the Rich, Give to the Poor by shadowfire87http://www.justiceharvard.org/2011/03/takeb-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor/#comment-131535 shadowfire87 Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:54:57 +0000 http://harvard.newmarketinglabs.com/?p=708#comment-131535 Now, there are some proposals out there, if they come to fruition, which might have a chance to help solve those problems in the future, but they do not exist today and today help is sorely needed. Those who live in poverty cannot wait for the snake oil to be first created and then sold to them. They must try to get themselves out of that situation themselves but it will not be easy. It will take diligence and hard work but it can be done. Of course if others help it will greatly accelerate the process but make no bones about it that unless you do what it takes to get yourself out of poverty then no amount of money poured over the situation will solve it. Now, there are some proposals out there, if they come to fruition, which might have a chance to help solve those problems in the future, but they do not exist today and today help is sorely needed. Those who live in poverty cannot wait for the snake oil to be first created and then sold to them. They must try to get themselves out of that situation themselves but it will not be easy. It will take diligence and hard work but it can be done. Of course if others help it will greatly accelerate the process but make no bones about it that unless you do what it takes to get yourself out of poverty then no amount of money poured over the situation will solve it.

]]> Comment on Take from the Rich, Give to the Poor by shadowfire87http://www.justiceharvard.org/2011/03/takeb-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor/#comment-131537 shadowfire87 Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:54:31 +0000 http://harvard.newmarketinglabs.com/?p=708#comment-131537 To answer your main question: No, having growing numbers living in poverty is not OK but is a reality that you must come to grips with and that has no true solution at our current level of existence. Yes, we may solve this bug-a-boo in the future but for today it exists due to no single phenomenon taking place but multiple factors. Just like homelessness, many things causes poverty, both by man-made and natural acts, that must be solved first before you will solve poverty. That is just the truth. To answer your main question: No, having growing numbers living in poverty is not OK but is a reality that you must come to grips with and that has no true solution at our current level of existence. Yes, we may solve this bug-a-boo in the future but for today it exists due to no single phenomenon taking place but multiple factors. Just like homelessness, many things causes poverty, both by man-made and natural acts, that must be solved first before you will solve poverty. That is just the truth.

]]> Comment on Take from the Rich, Give to the Poor by shadowfire87http://www.justiceharvard.org/2011/03/takeb-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor/#comment-131536 shadowfire87 Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:54:06 +0000 http://harvard.newmarketinglabs.com/?p=708#comment-131536 Which is why I posed my questions. The fact remains that something is causing poverty to rise but poverty has existed in every culture since the beginning of human history. So what have we not tried to fix this issue since it seems that every reasonable method has been put through the ringer and we still have poverty worldwide. Which is why I posed my questions. The fact remains that something is causing poverty to rise but poverty has existed in every culture since the beginning of human history. So what have we not tried to fix this issue since it seems that every reasonable method has been put through the ringer and we still have poverty worldwide.

]]> Comment on Take from the Rich, Give to the Poor by eddiewanohttp://www.justiceharvard.org/2011/03/takeb-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor/#comment-131530 eddiewano Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:01:29 +0000 http://harvard.newmarketinglabs.com/?p=708#comment-131530 The only reason I ask if growing numbers living in poverty is OK is because history is full of revolutions caused by extreme poverty. The middle east is going through this process right now. Rich dictators are being pushed out by hordes of poor people who no longer value their own lives.. It happened in France all those years ago and now we have the political system of left vs right. This will save us from the uprisings we saw in Libya but we will still see a real control freak president if poverty passes critical mass in the US. Then nobody will be free for 50 years until the next 'freedom revolution'... Backwards and forwards, again and again... What fun... If people want freedom from government control then everybody has to exercise self control, and we just aren't seeing that happen. Even the elected representatives are indulging in insider trading. I think that If people want the freedom to become as rich as they possibly can then they have to repay the favor by helping the government [so it can help poor people]. The only reason I ask if growing numbers living in poverty is OK is because history is full of revolutions caused by extreme poverty.

The middle east is going through this process right now. Rich dictators are being pushed out by hordes of poor people who no longer value their own lives..

It happened in France all those years ago and now we have the political system of left vs right. This will save us from the uprisings we saw in Libya but we will still see a real control freak president if poverty passes critical mass in the US. Then nobody will be free for 50 years until the next 'freedom revolution'… Backwards and forwards, again and again… What fun…

If people want freedom from government control then everybody has to exercise self control, and we just aren't seeing that happen. Even the elected representatives are indulging in insider trading.

I think that If people want the freedom to become as rich as they possibly can then they have to repay the favor by helping the government [so it can help poor people].

]]> Comment on Take from the Rich, Give to the Poor by Mikael Larsonhttp://www.justiceharvard.org/2011/03/takeb-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor/#comment-131521 Mikael Larson Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:36:41 +0000 http://harvard.newmarketinglabs.com/?p=708#comment-131521 1. *The market* consists of people. What you are actually saying is that a consumer deserves a extra reward for buying a product. If he, for exemple, buy Windows Vista for $40 he have earned $15 back for being *the market*. And you probebly also believe that some other folks have deserved some dollars just for standing by when this exchange happens? Bill Gates is also a part of the *market*. How about he introduce the rules? 2. Do you mean that being in the majority gives you a moral right? How about two wolfes and a lamb vote for what is for dinner.. 3. Of course he has paid less then their fruit was worth on the market! If he hadn't he would have no use for them. But he has paid them exactly as much as both parts agreed on, and both parts benefited from. 1. *The market* consists of people. What you are actually saying is that a consumer deserves a extra reward for buying a product. If he, for exemple, buy Windows Vista for $40 he have earned $15 back for being *the market*. And you probebly also believe that some other folks have deserved some dollars just for standing by when this exchange happens?

Bill Gates is also a part of the *market*. How about he introduce the rules?

2. Do you mean that being in the majority gives you a moral right? How about two wolfes and a lamb vote for what is for dinner..

3. Of course he has paid less then their fruit was worth on the market! If he hadn't he would have no use for them. But he has paid them exactly as much as both parts agreed on, and both parts benefited from.

]]> Comment on Take from the Rich, Give to the Poor by shadowfire87http://www.justiceharvard.org/2011/03/takeb-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor/#comment-131520 shadowfire87 Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:35:02 +0000 http://harvard.newmarketinglabs.com/?p=708#comment-131520 A better question: Will the redistribution of wealth solve the poverty problem fully? If not then why will it not solve it? Another good question: Has there ever been a time, in human history, when there was no poverty? If so then what system was used to eliminate it? A better question: Will the redistribution of wealth solve the poverty problem fully? If not then why will it not solve it?

Another good question: Has there ever been a time, in human history, when there was no poverty? If so then what system was used to eliminate it?

]]> Comment on Take from the Rich, Give to the Poor by eddiewanohttp://www.justiceharvard.org/2011/03/takeb-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor/#comment-131519 eddiewano Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:10:33 +0000 http://harvard.newmarketinglabs.com/?p=708#comment-131519 Quite right. Negative aspersions don't help the matter at all. So how do you suppose we work together and eliminate poverty from the nation then? Or is a growing number of people living in poverty OK? Quite right. Negative aspersions don't help the matter at all.

So how do you suppose we work together and eliminate poverty from the nation then? Or is a growing number of people living in poverty OK?

]]> Comment on Government and Morality by blogc2011http://www.justiceharvard.org/2011/03/government-and-morality/#comment-131518 blogc2011 Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:02:35 +0000 http://harvard.newmarketinglabs.com/?p=710#comment-131518 In a country that is homogeneous and secular, common norms alone should be used as a basis, without standing in judgement of international notions of dignity and respect. <a href="http://www.troonnorth-azsearchforhomes.com/troon-north-homes" rel="nofollow">Troon North homes for sale</a> In a country that is homogeneous and secular, common norms alone should be used as a basis, without standing in judgement of international notions of dignity and respect. Troon North homes for sale

]]> Comment on Take from the Rich, Give to the Poor by shadowfire87http://www.justiceharvard.org/2011/03/takeb-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor/#comment-131516 shadowfire87 Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:54:36 +0000 http://harvard.newmarketinglabs.com/?p=708#comment-131516 Even though they already pay a great deal overall, in taxes, they are still being told that they are greedy and do not pay enough. No one really feels the need to stand up for them until they themselves become wealthy at which time you will also be called greedy just for becoming wealthy. They are just as American as any other American and we should at least recognize some of their fears when it comes to their economic condition overall before assuming it is all just for greed. Even though they already pay a great deal overall, in taxes, they are still being told that they are greedy and do not pay enough. No one really feels the need to stand up for them until they themselves become wealthy at which time you will also be called greedy just for becoming wealthy. They are just as American as any other American and we should at least recognize some of their fears when it comes to their economic condition overall before assuming it is all just for greed.

]]> Comment on Take from the Rich, Give to the Poor by shadowfire87http://www.justiceharvard.org/2011/03/takeb-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor/#comment-131515 shadowfire87 Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:53:51 +0000 http://harvard.newmarketinglabs.com/?p=708#comment-131515 No argument there, when it comes to the fact that we all have to contribute to our country and to this date I have never heard MJ complain about anything but is it greed or self preservation when it comes to this topic? Most people worked very hard for their money and feel that after taxes it should be left up to them to direct where it goes but more and more people, who are not in the same economic class as that taxpayer believes that they do not pay enough in taxes and should give up even more with a coke, a smile and just be silent on the matter. No argument there, when it comes to the fact that we all have to contribute to our country and to this date I have never heard MJ complain about anything but is it greed or self preservation when it comes to this topic? Most people worked very hard for their money and feel that after taxes it should be left up to them to direct where it goes but more and more people, who are not in the same economic class as that taxpayer believes that they do not pay enough in taxes and should give up even more with a coke, a smile and just be silent on the matter.

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